To My Republican Brothers and Sisters: A Thank You

To My Republican Brothers and Sisters:

Conservatives have been asking, with the slightest whiff of schadenfreude, why liberals are whining so much. Why can’t we just accept defeat and move on, as if somehow our reluctance speaks to a deficit in us, and not in their candidate. They ask, as if they would have graciously accepted Hillary if she had won… as if they have ever actually accepted Barrack Hussein Obama… as if I simply imagined the most obstructionist congress in American history—denying the duly elected president the rights of his office—Senate republicans united in a fanatical realization of one goal—block Obama’s every proposal, sight unseen… as if the images of Obama in white paint with a Glasgow smile, a bone through his nose and a toothbrush mustache were all good-natured ribbing… as if…

You would have us believe we’re hypocrites for having difficulties with this election.

To these critics, my republican brothers and sisters, I have three answers.

The first is that, I’m sorry to say, it may take more than a couple of days for some liberals to come around to accepting the legitimacy of your president, especially since he spent the last eight years questioning the legitimacy of ours.

Second, this was not a regular election. What you either don’t understand, or genuinely take pleasure in ignoring, is that we’re not mourning the defeat of our candidate. We’re mourning the death of an idea. We are waking from our lives to learn that a beauty we had taken for granted was only a dream.

We truly believed the election of a man like Donald Trump was beyond the capacity of this country, under any circumstance—whether it be to spite the opposing party, or out of fear, or a desperate cry to be heard. We’ve always defined American Exceptionalism differently than you, but had no less faith in it than you. For many of us the death of this ideal has no parallel in our lives, save for the attacks of 9/11. Many of us are only just recovering from our new normal, emerging from the realization that fundamental assumptions we had made about the quality and character of our beloved nation simply aren’t true.

Joint Statement from California Legislative Leaders on Result of Presidential Election
Joint Statement from California Legislative Leaders on Result of Presidential Election

And while we feel it the strongest, we’re by no means the only people to mourn this loss. Around the world people are shocked, bewildered, and afraid for a very uncertain future.

For half this country, the United States died on Tuesday. And maybe I don’t know the plight of the tradesman in the rust-belt, or a small farming family living on the border, and so these disenfranchised masses are glad to shake things up for me, reminded me that they’re there, and that they feel ignored. And maybe there’s some truth to that. Maybe the plight of those in “the real America”, trying to freely practice their religion while providing for their families as the jobs dry up, have all fallen on deaf ears. And for that, I’m really sorry. You are our American brothers and sisters, and you deserve better, especially from us.

But there’s a flip side to that coin.

See, that same rust-belt tradesman is all too happy to ignore, or even make fun of me for my plight.

See I believe that the earth is warming, and we’re the primary cause. I believe it, I kid you not, as strongly as you believe in Jesus Christ. I believe that even now, with the Paris Accords and every country making a strong effort, an increase of three degrees Celsius is inevitable, and will displace one billion people creating the largest humanitarian crisis in human history. I believe another four degrees Celsius on top of that, and all life on this planet will be extinguished.

But I love my family no less than you, and if by sacrificing my life I could ensure you’re right, I’d do it without a moment’s hesitation. But that commitment is insufficient to affect any change.

You dismiss this plight (and a great many others) out of hand, call us fools, but I guarantee that you don’t know enough about the science to tell us why we’re wrong, or just what part of the picture is incomplete, or what bar would have to be cleared to convince you. You cannot claim to have arrogance less than ours when you can so casually dismiss out of hand that which thousands of independent researchers across every country of the globe have spent a lifetime studying. No, no, no you cannot claim that you, who live in the in “the real America”, are much of a better listener than I am because, on a clear day, I can see from the top of my Ivory tower just about as far as you can from atop that working man’s chip on your shoulder.

This is just one of a great many of our plights you’re too happy to ignore, even mock. But try as you might to insist that your families are more real, more important, more American…. They may be no less important, but they’re not more important either.

My third and final response to why this was no ordinary election, is that we’ve never sent you a candidate you had to fear. When Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, came to power, none of you had cause to wake up in the middle of the night, terrified that the government was coming to take you and your family. I’m all too aware that many of you felt that way. If you listened to Glen Beck, who riled people up with Nazi regalia, and stories of Obama’s brown shirt youth core, his secret Muslim plan to invoke Sharia law, put you in front of a death panel and take your guns, then Obama scared you. But it’s not our fault you believed the lunacy (and it was—utter madness what your side claimed of him).

Omarosa Manigault, Trump’s Director of African-American Outreach, telling Frontline that Trumps critics and detractors will be forced to kneel before him. [Video]
Omarosa Manigault, Trump’s Director of African-American Outreach, telling Frontline that Trumps critics and detractors will be forced to kneel before him. [Video]
On the other hand, the person telling us that Trump is coming for us isn’t some left-wing radio show nut-job, but the candidate himself; and we take him at his word. He’s defended the practice of internment during WWII, and suggested we might need that again (a claim he’s since flatly rejected, but that’s cold comfort to the 3.3 million Americans he’s said he wants to surveil), that he thinks people who disagree with him should be punched in the face or have their head bashed in, when he can’t condemn the KKK or his own supporters saying that they should light a black man on fire, when he offers to pay the legal fees of a man who sucker punches a protester, when he says he’s going to shut down any newspaper or media outlet which says something he thinks is unfair (which, surprisingly, is anything that even whiffs of disagreeing with him), when this man says he likes the law and order kept by people like Saddam Hussain, Kim Jung Un, and Vladimir Putin, and that he’s going to use the power of his office to lock up a political rival because he doesn’t like how the investigation by a republican FBI director panned out, and mistakes political punditry as fact—innocent until proven guilty a luxury democrats don’t deserve…

It has not escaped our notice that the vast majority of people affected by these policies don’t vote republican.

Tell me with a straight face that there’s ever been a person our side threatened yours like this, tell me I’m misrepresenting him, and I’ll sit down and shut up. I don’t think you can.

Attitude reflects leadership, and his attitude has already emboldened acts of racism, hatred, and violence against us as the KKK is emboldened more than any time in the last half century.

Let that sink in. Because of your candidate, the KKK is emboldened more than at any time in the last half century.

You can’t blame this one on the lame stream media. And you can’t blame it on us. You, the family values voters did this, elected this man who wants to grab my daughter by the pussy. You’ve sent us a candidate like no other, ask us to accept him, and wriggle with glee and call us hypocrites when we balk. And you say it is our fault. We forced you to elect him.

We’ve made a lot of mistakes, but we never sent you a candidate who threatened you, and we never called compromise a four-letter word.

That’s why we mourn, my American Brothers.

The reason this is different than past elections is because we never asked you to accept a fascist. He is the antithesis of American values to the extent that not a single living US President endorsed or voted for him.

I have to say, for a “party of the constitution”, electing a man so dedicated to violating it… a man with a gold-plated toilet whose never once applied for a job in his life who you tell me speaks for the working class… Yeah… that one caught us by surprise a bit.

I am committed to reviewing all of Trumps plans (when he has them), and considering each on their merit, a basic fairness you and your congressional representatives denied President Obama. And given that you elected a man who was a pro-choice, pro-single payer, lifelong democrat until he wanted your vote, maybe he’s not going to do half or even any of what he says (and I’m not sure you care either way).

But we will vehemently oppose any of these proposals, or any like them, and based on his tenor and temperament, must and do begin opposition to him immediately on the assumption he intends to do what he says he will.

And for that, I must issue a reluctant thank you.

I’ve slept an average of three hours a night since the election, defending friends from online assaults, comforting my liberal brothers and sisters, some so terrified that they’ve made themselves sick (they include African Americans, Jews, Middle-Eastern immigrants, Hispanics, and friends who’s lives depend on provisions of the ACA). I remind them all of one thing, one little solace. We will win this.

How do I know that? Because we’ve always won.

See, we may lose every god damn battle, but we’ve won every war. In the 238-year history of the United States, we progressives have always won, and history has always proven us right. From freeing the slaves, civil rights, woman’s suffrage, ending child labor, the FDIC, Medicare, gay rights, food and drug inspection—all this country’s greatest moral achievements were achieved by liberals in the face of fierce un-relenting opposition by conservatives.

No matter how long it takes, we will win. We’ll beat back the forces of bigotry, misogynism, and brutality. It’s what we do. It’s what we’ve always done.

And we actually owe you a debt of gratitude, because we’d become complacent. We’d let our enthusiasm wane, let our leaders choose our candidates for us, stifled competition and good ideas within our own party…. we had become lazy, complacent, arrogant. We thought we could win simply by having good ideas. We forgot we had to live by them. We forgot we don’t win just by showing up, or by thinking of ourselves as better. We have to fight.

I do not fear Trump. He cannot intimidate me, he cannot bully me. And when the shock has worn off of my brethren, he, and every ignorant, race baiting, homophobic, xenophobic, islamaphobic self-righteous bible thumping holier-than-thou-conservative he’s placing in his cabinet, will find a wall of idealism, an army of people he cannot bully, intimidate, or shake.

You ask why we will not stand with this “president”? Because he never offered. He has spit in the face of people looking for unity, to come together. He is a bully, there can be no debate on this, and he wants us exactly as his director of African American Outreach so gleefully pointed out: on our knees where we can “bow down before him” worship “the most powerful man in the universe”.

I will never do any of those things. Ever. And so long as he demands just one of us kneel before him, we will stand. All of us.

I’d have thought you’d have had enough self-pride to realize that was too much to ask of any man.

And as I reach the conclusion of this letter, which you have patiently read to the end, I do have one request, and I make it to the man himself. The rumor is, Donny, that you’re keeping an enemies list. I hope it’s not true, that kind of thing has a bad precedent, and for good reason. If, however, it is true, I ask only one thing:

Kindly put my name at the top.

Thank you.

Nicholas Lamar Soutter

361 Comments

  1. Good read… I think what people aren’t understanding is that Democrats or Republicans aside this is not so much about political indifferences. This is about the open racism that Trump spoke and encouraged at his campaign rallies. And how the majority of us are ashamed of our family and friends that racism wasn’t a deal breaker

    November 19, 2016
  2. The Obama administration had control for 4 years and what did we get?? Nothing! I voted for him twice and he was a complete failure. Wake up people.

    November 19, 2016
  3. Great ideas, but way too long! You should revise, shorten and republish. This has the potential to be a truly powerful message for all.

    November 19, 2016
    • Are you leaving or are you trying to adjust. Some people never accepted a black man in the whitehouse but the world just kept on turning

      November 19, 2016
    • Sharon J Smith it’s amazing when I hear people saying what you are saying. What a shame you didn’t read the letter. There is no comparison between Obamas presidency and the disaster that is already trump before he’s even taken office.

      November 19, 2016
  4. Jeanette Garza…How can you write like that and then call someone a dope? It was hard to understand what you were trying to say. Please use your glasses and a 1st grade spelling book when you write. And pull your head out of your ass so you can see.

    November 18, 2016
  5. You are right. Nowhere to hid now. Can’t blame the black guy anymore. And these idiots gave him a posse when they voted straight ticket. No one to keep him in line, but again, nowhere to hide either! We only need 2 years. Let’s flip the numbers and contain Cheeto Hitler!

    November 18, 2016
  6. Viki Anders said:

    Thank you for this. It finally put into words what I have been thinking and feeling since 11/9. It gets scarier with every appointment he makes. But the bright side, if Hillary had won the Electoral College the next 4 years would have been more of the same, total obstruction from the republicans and someone like Trump would have been elected in 4 years. We have been jolted out of our complacency and will not let Trump destroy this nation!

    November 18, 2016
  7. Jeane Garza said:

    he will be the Best President We ever had Mark my words he does need money like the other dopes did Praise the Lord for him

    November 18, 2016
  8. Jeane Garza said:

    You nearer said that come on leavers that man alone he’s going to be the Best President We ever had how do you like that Dope

    November 18, 2016
  9. Thank you, Mr Soutter, this is a great article….unfortunately, those who really Need to read it, do not seem to be in the habit of reading anything more than hate rant Tweets….but the rest of us sure appreciate your eloquence.

    November 18, 2016
    • Lisa Weiss said:

      Cheryl, this seems like a predictable response from someone who appears to have been born, raised and still lives in the same place. Thank you.

      November 18, 2016
  10. Briliant! Well said Lamar. Not a fan of Trump. I am not protesting he got elected but i am protesting these people elected a pig. Not my President.

    November 18, 2016
  11. I know what Trump just said here, so FUCK YOU DICTATOR TRUMP. You are unfit to be president. You are the most crooked and greedy. If the truth be known Trump is in debt up past his eye balls. That is why he won’t release his tax returns. Look out America, dictator Trump will rape our and pillage our country.

    November 18, 2016
  12. PaoKong Thao said:

    So dumb. We’re not protesting the “fact” he got elected. We liberals are protesting the fact that the presidential elect is a racist, a bigot, and so on so forth need I repeat myself. Never in my life time have I ever protested a win from a presidential cadidate because of their conservative views. But Trumps views are not conservative. They come from hate and fear. If you voted for him even if you say your not a racist you are supporting his racist views.

    November 18, 2016
    • Thank you for recognizing that he’s not a conservative. I’ve been a Republican all my life, but I didn’t vote for Trump. He doesn’t represent my brand of Republicanism.

      November 18, 2016
    • So the 50+ percent of the population that don’t agree with you are irrational illiterates? That perception IS the problem. ?

      November 18, 2016
  13. So well said and so true. Too bad it won’t convince anyone except the people that already feel that way. I have never seen such a large number of people with such closed minds.

    November 17, 2016
    • But we actually did outnumber them. He did not get the most votes. There will be ” buyer’s remorse” just wait for it.

      November 17, 2016
    • I don’t think so MaryLou. I can see that the same people that elected Trump will continue to put blame elsewhere and never hold him responsible

      November 17, 2016
    • Sharon McNiel maybe Sharon, but many of his voters are on Medicaid especially in red states
      and surely some of his voters are among the millions who have health insurance for themselves and their families for the 1st time and will lose it. Others may be nearing retirement in the near future.. They will likely find that the age requirements for SS and Medicare have risen and benefits have been reduced. Biting off one’s nose is never a good lifetime plan. It tends to make you rethink bad decisions

      November 17, 2016
    • MaryLou Dennis Santos I hope u r right. There r times I would prefer being wrong. They r convinced without doubt that he is the great white hope

      November 17, 2016
    • Sharon McNiel won’t it be fun if he turns out to be Democrat “lite”. He was a Dem most of his life.. Pro choice, pro universal HC , says Gay marriage is ” settled law”… Maybe he has punked us all!

      November 17, 2016
    • MaryLou Dennis Santos or maybe he hit punked by Bannin and others sealing power they could never get on their own

      November 17, 2016
    • I’m going to confess something. I’m not trying to convince anyone. I’m trying to remind liberals and progressives who we are, and what we’ve accomplished. The days have never seemed so dark for us. But that’s okay. We MUST remember that. I didn’t write it for them, Sharon McNiel. I wrote it for you.

      November 17, 2016
  14. Kevin Walker said:

    Having missed the opportunity to elect for president such a peaceful dove of a candidate like Hillary Clinton, it’s understandable how parts of the American public can be upset with the election of Donald Trump.

    There is a large portion of the population – people to whom I like to affectionately refer to as morons – who believe that in order to instantly become a better human being, all you have to do is declare yourself to be a liberal.

    I mean, by all accounts Hillary is a rotten human being and now they regret not having elected her as president!!??!!??? Why? Because she is a “liberal”? She revealed how liberal she is with her superpredators speech, but who can remember that – it was so yesterday.

    That speech puts to shame any conservative, but hey at least she says she is a liberal, so therefore she is a much better human being. It’s tough to lose an election twice, but I am not worried about Hillary. I know that she has some cool friends to rely for support on in such trying times, like Jay Z and Beyonce. So she’ll be OK, she’ll pull through as long as she hangs out with them, as I am sure she always does and it wasn’t just an election stunt. You are all tools of the Oligarchs and the whole holier-than-thou act is puke inducing.

    November 17, 2016
    • Trump recently called her a ” good person” in his 60 minutes interview. He admitted that the words and allegations he used against her were just ” campaign dynamics”. There will be no ” hillary for prison”. And the tone and language you used to address the writer of this piece proves why you are a trump supporter- you are a bully. A crude, rough talking bully. Enjoy your new president.

      November 18, 2016
    • Kevin Walker said:

      Superpredator speech Heather Robinson. Pretty crude and rough talking bullying. Basket of deplorables Heather Robinson pretty crude and bullying speech. I voted for neither Clinton, nor Trump. Just sick of the sanctimonious superiority of the Clinton elitists.

      November 18, 2016
    • Kevin your opinion is null and void since you didn’t vote. You didn’t vote so keep your opinions to yourself.

      November 18, 2016
  15. I read the whole thing Sue. Thanks but it is so ridiculous in many ways. I find it interesting how we are all lumped into the same thinking? It ignores so many facts. Equal number of scientists disagree. Whites from the north freed slaves from the Democrats. Obama broke many laws and I never said he had a bone in his nose. Hillary is a crook but he didn’t bother to mention that fact. They both believe killing living babies in uterine. It is the progressives that want to take rights from us. I am getting sleepy and can’t remember all of his blather. I don’t remember that we conservatives were out destroying other people’s property because a liberal was elected to the office of president? I believe that a better more accurate article is needed to make the progressive point. Mike

    November 17, 2016
    • Julia Cupp said:

      Mike, this is more than conservative vs. liberal; it’s about common decency and acceptance. But you’ve started talking about killing babies and whatnot, which goes to show you’re not open to really hearing his point. There is some seriously scary stuff happening right now for marginalized groups of people. While these sentiments may have always been there, Trump has amplified them and made hate acceptable for many folks. This will not stand; harming others based on skin color, religion, sex, sexual preference, etc., holds the fire to babies in uterine. Perspective.

      November 17, 2016
    • Julia, decency should also mean hearing all sides. People who know and have worked with Trump tell a different story about him. Have your side bothered to hear a different Trump. He was our probably 10th choice. He won. How can progressives justify Hillary? They vilify Trumps words but not Hillary’s actions. Her illegal actions are worse than his ridiculous words. I have studied both sides. I think some who critique me haven’t done the same. Mike

      November 17, 2016
    • Mike-Rosie Dyer, actons speak louder than words, and the behavior and attitudes of those tRump has already appointed or nominated speaks volumes. Not to mention tRump’s limp ‘stop it’ to his followers regarding their despicable/deplorable post election behavior all across the USA.

      November 18, 2016
    • Jane your response is interesting. Liberals speak about decency and all the other stuff. I don’t hear liberals ever mention or admit any of those qualities of Hillary. Let us see: she is a pathological liar. She took millions from foreign countries that treat women horribly, kill christians, kill homosexuals, and give money to terrorists. Are any of those qualities despicable/ deplorable? They are to us conservatives! Has Hillary or Obama said one word to the liberal paid not protesters but terrorists destroying cities around the country? Liberals see Trumps mistakes and stay quiet about Hillary. Is that decent despicable or deplorable? Yes and I only hear liberals silence! Please liberals look in a mirror! Oh, bye the way HILLARY LOST ?Mike

      November 18, 2016
    • Mike-Rosie Dyer ‘I lnow he did, but what about Hillary’ and ‘nanny boo boo yoy lost’ omg alert the press a politician/Secretary of state over looked another sovereign nations internal behavior. Well since you’re kitchen sinking it, what about the Bush family’s (u know #41 & 43) close ties to Saudi Arabia? What about tRump’s involvement w/Russia?
      I don’t expect politicians to be squeaky clean. I’m an adult, I understand politics is a sewer, can’t swim in and stay clean. I just wanted a qualified ADULT to helm my country, not an overgrown fake baked ADD suffering sexual predator.

      November 18, 2016
    • You left out all of the rest of the conservatives. I sure hope you can get over Hillary’s monumental loss before our country starts a great recovery from the liberals. The good news, we conservatives will compromise to make things better. You can see it happening if only you looked. Mike

      November 18, 2016
  16. I am not a trump supporter. I do not agree with his appointment of Bannon and have signed petitions against it. I don’t know if the petitions do any good, but I want my name on every list there is that I don’t support trump nor his racist, misogynistic, hate mongering ideals. That is my honest opinion.

    November 17, 2016
  17. That is a beautifully written letter, you must be a highly educated man. My response will be just as kind if not as eloquent.
    I’m not a hate-monger or a racist or any other label that’s been assigned to me because I chose THIS moment to say, enough is enough. If you wanted your ideas to flourish you should have picked a better candidate to represent you. But you didn’t, you picked her. Someone who has no respect for the laws of our great land. Our political system has been unduly influenced by the elite for too long. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, she is proof of this. She abused the power given her to continuously to line her own pockets with no regard for who it hurt. Haiti? Benghazi? The paid speeches for her husband by foreign governments directly followed by US support? The ties to George Soros whose tyrannical history speaks for itself? It was too much for us. I don’t understand how it wasn’t too much for you to take?
    You should have picked Bernie, but you didn’t and it’s too late now.
    It’s our turn and what we want is a chance to live in a secure country with high-paying jobs available to all men, regardless of education if they’re willing to work for it. We also want the return of an unbiased media. Our side won fair and square. That means it’s our turn at creating what we need for our idea of a great country. Sit back, keep a vigilant watch but an open mind. That’s what you all have touted as your motto as long as I can remember. But now that it’s our turn, we’re getting professional violent rioters and you are not doing anything to stop them. Why is that?
    We all want to be safe, right?
    So again, your letter while inspiring doesn’t help me understand your tolerance for hate only when they agree with your ideas. Hate is hate and until we can agree on that and stop it from both sides or at least make the effort? We’ll never be able to meet in the middle.

    November 17, 2016
    • Yvonne Black said:

      God help you if you think this man is going to keep you safe, you are as delusional as he is! Hate is invading the White House and the GOP and you are responsible for it. I sure hope you can live with yourselves when it all falls apart!

      November 17, 2016
    • Frances Owen said:

      Yvonne Black you must be psychic to know how this man will govern. Quit listening to the liberal media with their fear mongering. Wishing Donald Trump to fail is like hoping the captain of the plane crashes with all of us on board. Grow up for Gods sake and before you call me a racist you first need to know I’m gay, I have a biracial son and I believe ALL Americans need to be treated equally.

      November 17, 2016
    • My God, Holly Hamilton… I don’t agree with everything you said, but if half the people on either side were half as magnanimous and gracious as you… I think I’d like the world a lot more. You read the post honestly, and critiqued it honestly, and even in a complementary way. You humble me. Bernie should have won, Comey should have stayed out of it, Hillary should have kept her ego in check, more people should have voted, honest republicans (who, to be fair, did A LOT) should have fought harder against trump–who should have been kicked out of the party early in the primaries (and there was talk of it). A lot of blame, no one thing you can point to. But I’ve been fending trolls, flamers and haters off of my friends all week. You bring up some fair criticisms, and do it respectfully. You’ve given me a boost today. Thank you. You’re never going to know how much I needed this. Thank you.

      November 17, 2016
    • Thank you for the opportunity to review the ‘other’ side and not feel disrespected. I also now have hope we can make this work-together.

      November 17, 2016
    • No. There is no fear. Just sadness and utter disbelief that a racist, sexist, homophobic bigot who spoke so crudely, so nastily of the disabled, women, Mexicans, blacks and Asians could be voted for by enough people that he became president. It will never be acceptable to the majority of the us population.

      November 18, 2016
  18. Well I read your blog and to answer your question. Since we can’t trust the media to tell us the truth and with all due respect you point your finger and say this guy is a white supremacist. I did not read anything on your blog that makes me believe or disbelieve the statement. Where do you get that info from? The fact that the KKK say they like the choice. Who cares? Who’s to say they are not just stirring the pot. Nobody has listened to the KKK for years and I really don’t think we are going to start listening to them an time soon. I am not afraid you might have a point because you haven’t made a point yet I’ve just heard your accusation.
    I do not have a degree in phosophy. I’m just a Nurse. But I also don’t mind if we disagree.
    Back to the question your word that this guy is a white supremacist is not enough for me where’s your proof

    November 17, 2016
    • I’m just curious, why? There are less than 10000 KKK members in the whole country. I don’t understand why people seem afraid of such a small group of people that EVERYONE disagrees with anyway. They have no power any more. Neither the right in the left listen to them so I am just curious why

      November 18, 2016
  19. I’m going to post this, not as a comment on any one person (okay, tiny fib), but as a statement of general principle.

    I got my degree in philosophy because I like to think, and I like to know things. I’ll debate nearly any point with nearly anyone at nearly any time, so long as they’re willing to engage honestly. I, meanwhile, promise to do my best to do the same (and I’m not perfect, I don’t always succeed).

    If the debate is honest, and I am right, I can bring the other side over, and I’ve made the world a better place. If the debate is honest, and I’m wrong, they can bring me over, and I am smarter, and the world is a better place. Real, honest debate is one of the few activities in which both sides can compete and yet can both be winners.

    But if you’re going to refuse to answer really easy questions, just because of the possibility, not that I’ll win the argument, but that it would just grant me even a small point… That’s not honest dialogue. It’s not having an open mind, it’s not willing to discuss… It’s simply a colossal waste of time, and I don’t want you on this forum.

    I don’t mind if we disagree. I mind if you wall off avenues of genuine discussion or inquiry because you fear I might have a point. This isn’t elementary school, this is about genuine engagement and discussion about important topics. I’ll take it seriously if you will. If not… Get out.

    November 17, 2016
    • That’s bullsh*t….You can stick your head in the sand and deny all you want, but the enviroment will continue to deteriorate. I guess you know more than 80 of the worlds top scientist.

      November 17, 2016
    • Please read “The Sixth Extinction”, the Pulitzer-prize winning book by Elizabeth Kolbert. It’s a great read, besides being full of facts and stories of current scientific research.

      November 17, 2016
    • Ray Arroyo said:

      Don’t waste ur time on these idiots just let the truth hit them in the face when shit hits the fan n they become targets…

      November 16, 2016
    • Kevin Walker said:

      Do you still beat your wife? Just answer yes or no. It’s not a trick question.

      November 17, 2016
    • Kevin Walker said:

      I can accuse people by insinuation too. Here is how. Clinton supported the Iraq war. She also destroyed Libya. Libya was pretty much her baby. So:

      “Not all Clinton supporters are warmongering murderers. However, all Clinton supporters saw a warmongering murderer and said “this is an acceptable person to lead our country.”

      You may not have warmongering murderous intent, but you have had a warmongering murderous impact.

      Impact > intent.

      So when you get called a murderous warmonger– understand that your actions have enabled murderous warmongering in the highest halls of our federal government, regardless of why you voted for her.

      You have to own this. You don’t get to escape it because your feelings are hurt that people are calling you names. You may have felt like you had no other choice; you may have felt like she was genuinely the best choice for reasons that had nothing to do with warmongering.

      But you have to own what you have done: you have enabled murder and warmongering.

      Impact > intent. Always”

      November 17, 2016
  20. Jenn Larson said:

    The thought occurred to me today: What if Trump had said such horrible things about Christians, Christianity, and the Bible as he did about Muslims, Black people, Mexicans, and women? Would those supporters, so focused on “economics” and “gun rights” and “Obamacare” still have chosen to “look the other way” if he had insulted Christianity and its members the way he did the minorities whose lives most of them don’t have to live?

    My guess is, probably not.

    November 16, 2016
  21. Never EVER will I accept trump as my President. Everyday in every possible way I will oppose him and his subjects. He is vile.

    November 16, 2016
  22. “Coming together” is a media fiction. We always have different and legitimate points of view in the usa. Where was the call for coming together in 2009 when Mitch McConnell declared war on the Obama presidency and spent 8 years working to destroy it and not one minute working to help Americans with jobs, infrastructure etc… Come together today just means that anyone who didn’t vote for trump should shut up.

    November 16, 2016
  23. AJ Rodriguez said:

    So much hate coming out of the mouths of people who say they want what is best for our country. Look at the mess we are in now. The lifelong politicians have done nothing but fill their own agendas for way too long. We the American people wanted to shake up this status pro quo government and put someone in charge that may actually make a difference. Trump has been elected under the laws of our land. Put on your big girls panties and get over it. Give him and his cabinet a chance. He may surprise you. He may have not been my first choice but stacked up against the other option, he was my only choice. So, let us back him as the duly elected president of our great country. A divided country will surely do no good for either side. We must be a united front. God bless America. Remember if you are not part of the solution, you must be part of the problem.

    November 16, 2016
    • Let’s give him a chance….I keep hearing this and it gets scarier every time I hear it! It’s like when your abusive husband beats you again but your idiot friend says he didn’t mean it so give him a chance to make the relationship better. It’s so crazy I just can’t handle it!

      November 17, 2016
    • Well if life long politicians have done nothing but fill their own agendas for way too long and you all wanted someone to shake up the status quo, you aren’t going to get that from Trump. He is filling his administration with life long, has been Republicans, not new outsiders, so good luck with your dreams of a non politician, outsider making America great again…smdh!!!

      November 17, 2016
    • That’s How I feel. “Lets Give Him a Chance”– yes, I watched very carefully to see who he’d appoint to his administration. The most important position? Split between a Washington insider and a white supremacist. Not off to an auspicious start

      November 18, 2016
  24. Any candidate for public office needs to be given a job description and a test to verify that they have the intelligence and mental stability to do the job. If this would have been enforced with Trump we would not be having a transition problems. And the problems are just starting.
    He is the same horrible despicable person he was on November 7. But even more dangerous now. And he is surrounding himself with the same horrible despicable people!!

    November 16, 2016
  25. Diana Kerr said:

    Conservatives may not ever have accepted the Obama presidency, but I don’t recall rioting, burning flags, destruction of other people’s property, harming other people, or blocking traffic because of it…

    November 16, 2016
    • harming other people?! THE REPORT CAME OUT YESTERDAY…oh yeah, your uneducated so can’t read….HATE CRIMES AND VIOLENCE AGAINST CERTAIN GROUPS IS UP 70 PERCENT SINCE YOUR POS HITLER WANNABE SUPPOSEDLY WAS VOTED IN BY THE PEOPLE….WHICH IS ANOTHER LIE, AS ALWAYS!!!!! HILLARY WON THE PEOPLE’S VOTE, BY WELL OVER A MILLION VOTES!!!!!!! THIS VILE POS WILL NEVER BE MY PRESIDENT!!!!! NEVER!!!!!! HE IS JUST SEWAGE WASTE

      November 16, 2016
    • Diana Kerr said:

      I don’t see any evidence, in those photos, of conservatives destroying other people’s property, harming other people, or blocking traffic so that emergency vehicles couldn’t go though…

      November 16, 2016
    • Diana Kerr said:

      I think all of the riots (not protests) are done by immature people… burning effigies, or the flag… immaturity! On EITHER side!

      November 16, 2016
    • Diana Kerr said:

      Harming other people’s property, blocking traffic which may contain emergency vehicles, and beating other people is DEFINITELY a huge sign of immaturity.

      November 16, 2016
    • Diana Kerr Well, I posted pictures up there. I used those because they’re the ones I remember myself. I remember the burning effigy of Obama hanging from a rope. And the Tea Party protests weren’t particularly mature–Obama with a bone through his nose, and the FBI has reported Hate crimes are higher in the last 7 days even than after 9/11. The only way to not see the evidence is to choose to not see it.

      November 16, 2016
    • Diana Kerr said:

      Yes, those things are immature… HOWEVER… there’s no sign of destruction of other’s property, no sign of people being beaten up because they voted for Obama or had an Obama bumper sticker on their car, no signs of blocking traffic so that emergency vehicles couldn’t get through, etc….

      November 16, 2016
    • Tell me, do you approve of the hiring of a known white supremacist to the #1 administrative position in the white house?

      November 16, 2016
    • Diana Kerr said:

      According to a LOT of things posted by liberals recently, if you’re not a liberal yourself, then you must be a white supremacist.

      November 16, 2016
    • Diana Kerr said:

      You see, as far as I’m concerned, there’s no such thing as racism on planet Earth. Why? Because there’s no such thing as more than one race on planet Earth…. human beings. It doesn’t matter how much melanin you have, or do not have, if you’re human then you’re HUMAN. I’ve taught my children that the only way you can be better than someone else is to be nicer than they are because hair, eyes, skin, economic standing, WHATEVER has nothing to do with the PERSON… most times a person has NO CHOICE about these conditions, so how can someone be better than someone else due to something they have no choice in the matter? Blonds aren’t better than brunettes because they have no choice in the matter (outside of a bottle of hair color), whites are no different than blacks other than their melanin count. So, to me, when you say that conservatives are all racist, that’s a personal attack that is NOT due… and if someone can say that about me when I’m the exact opposite, then who would be a white supremacist in the #1 administrative position in the white house to you?

      November 16, 2016
    • Diana Kerr said:

      Especially considering that NO ONE has been hired for ANY position in the Trump administration yet….

      November 16, 2016
    • Diana Kerr a man just got fired from his job because he took a selfie of him flipping off a car that had a Hillary sticker on it. He was supposed to be changing oil. The husband of one of my friends was having supper with a “friend.” All of a sudden the “friend” got mad at him for supporting Hillary, yelled profanities at him (in the restaurant), left, came back p, and yelled more profanities. My frien’s husband was very cautious leaving the restaurant because he did not know if the other man was waiting for him or not.
      My neighbor just told me that one of her acquaintances called Mrs. Obama a transvestite.
      I could go on but all these horrible things wear me out just thinking about them.
      Our world is ugly right now and I cannot see that it is going to get better very soon.

      November 16, 2016
    • Diana Kerr Factually untrue. He’s hired a number of staff positions, including Chief of Staff and Chief Adviser. And one of those is demonstrably a white supremacist (ask, I’ll get you sources..)

      November 17, 2016
    • Diana Kerr said:

      Joan M. Edwards There are definitely immature people on both sides, as I said in my previous posts. He may have announced who he’s thinking about placing in those positions, but he’s just the President-Elect… he has no real power or positions yet.

      November 17, 2016
    • Diana Kerr said:

      I believe in America, a Constitutional Republic, where all men are created equal and endowed with rights by God. I hold no ill will against anyone who votes differently than me or thinks differently than me. But face it… they basically put the ABSOLUTELY WORST Democratic candidate up against the ABSOLUTELY WORST Republican candidate for the office of President…. and this is what we got. There was NO WAY I was going to vote for Hillary Clinton because of her adult lifelong corruption and there were just too many issues which I could not abide… and I’m sure you had similar reasons for voting for Mrs. Clinton against Mr. Trump. No one else even had a CHANCE of winning the election. All I’m saying is, let’s not stop being a great nation, bound together by mutual respect and basic humanity, let’s quit being so divided and surly against each other because we have different ideas and opinions… that’s what America was built for… remember Patrick Henry: “I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend, to the death, your right to say it!” I do NOT, however, defend anyone who destroys other people’s property, sets fires, harms others, disturbs the peace all night long, or blocks traffic…. ON EITHER SIDE! I’ll look into the Chief of Staff and Chief Advisor, but other than sending a message or trying to call, there’s really nothing I can do about who he puts into his cabinet positions… I didn’t like who Obama nominated in his cabinet positions, either!

      November 17, 2016
  26. Best letter I have read in a long time. I am with you. Add my name to the top of the list as well.

    November 16, 2016
    • The sad fact is that most who voted for Trump/Pence are likely not going to willingly read this and, if they do, they likely are so committed to being right and standing their ground you…we, can never get them to think logically and admit they got conned. Thus far, his administration appears to be the worst of the worst!
      Thank you for this. It is comforting to read a well written piece that gets to the point and does so in a non-threatening way. Bravo!! ??????????

      November 17, 2016
  27. Beautiful letter and it is very true! But you might as well talk to a sign post. Repub-kkkers have a one track mind that even the devil doesn’t comprehend.

    November 15, 2016
    • I wrote it for the left as much as the right. We need to remember that we win. It’s what we do. Period. We lose battles left and right. Long haul, the history-our history–American history, is of progressive victories despite fierce conservative opposition at every step. We drag them kicking and screaming into the light, and find a new war to fight. And we need to remember that.

      November 16, 2016
  28. Ayantu Oluma said:

    The KKK don’t like blacks, Hispanics, immigrants, gays and Jew. The KKK will be in the white house leading this country to destruction. We cannot just sit back instead get involve to save this country and the world. We do not want a modern day Hitler.

    November 15, 2016
    • You are not informed. One of Hillary’s mentors was a member of the KKK: Robert Byrd. Trump has no association with the KKK. They backed him and that doesn’t mean he agrees with their political agenda. LOL nation.foxnews.com/…/flashback-hillary-clinton-praised-former-kkk-member-robert-…

      November 15, 2016
    • Alison Tim said:

      You really shouldn’t believe anything from Fox News, try a reputable source (or two.)

      November 15, 2016
    • Gabrielle Western You’re right, Trump has no association with the KKK. But when he refuses to repudiate them, or stumbles and repudiates David Duke only after pressure from the public, or puts a known white supremacist into the single most important white house administrative position (to the EXTREAM delight of the KKK), you kinda got to wonder… Am I going to judge Trump by who Hillary has as a mentor, or what he does in office. Doesn’t agree with their Agenda? Then why is he following it?

      November 15, 2016
    • N Lamar Soutter LOL Trump is the President elect for one week. I think the man has been very busy and it hasn’t been on parties and flights out of country. So, I think you should cut him some slack before you judge. I love all of the labels that are being attached to those around him. White supremacist and antisemitic are the two most used. The problem with them are they have been attached to someone with out any deeds to prove them. I haven’t looked up the White supremacist thing but I do know the antisemitic was assigned Bannon by his ex-wife during a heated divorce. What antisemitic actions has he ever done? Couldn’t find any. This labeling dependent on the paid media needs to stop.

      November 16, 2016
    • No, no no. I put a list above of the articles printed during his running of brightbart, about radical Jews, women who are ruining the internet for men and don’t belong in the Tech industry, and a whole bunch more. He didn’t write them, but he’s responsible for them. There’s a reason the KKK has applauded his appointment. They’re thrilled. There’s a reason. I’m not quoting the media, I’m reading the stuff HE let get published. I’ll put some up in a bit, got to go feed the family. But You’re the one not looking into it. The KKK loves this pick. And it’s easy to see why.

      November 16, 2016
    • N Lamar Soutter Okay, I believe you. I said I hadn’t looked into all of Trump’s appointments. I will look into it soon.

      November 16, 2016
    • Breitbart News, and under Brannon’s leadership, published articles like “Why Equality and Diversity Departments Should Only Hire Rich, Straight White Men”, “Would you Rather Your Child Had Feminism or Cancer”, “There’s No Hiring Bias Against Women in Tech, They Just Suck At Interviews” “The Solution to Online ‘Harassment’ is Simple: Women Should Log Off” and “Attack of the Lying Brestapo Feminazis” (and I’m ignoring the Anti-Semitic stuff, I don’t have the time, posted some above…).

      Now you may not find anything wrong with these. But the KKK LOVED these articles and more (and they’re all still up at Breitbart). It’s because of a History of publishing articles like this that the KKK have endorsed Brannon’s appointment and said “We see this as a sign that Trump is taking our agenda seriously”.

      Husbands and wives lie in court all the time, but under this constellation of articles (and way, way more), this is staggering, and not a call to unite anyone. I think the publishing of these papers under Brannon’s watch is strong evidence he’s a white supremacist, and the KKK agree with me.

      November 16, 2016
    • Those were titles and not the articles. LOL If I were offended from every misleading title I have seen, I would constantly be offended.

      November 16, 2016
    • Now, if you think there’s nothing wrong with these or the others, congratulations, neither does the KKK. They LOVE this, and have (above) thanked trump for the appointment, and it’s easy to see why. Bannon hasn’t done anything racist? Are you insane?

      November 16, 2016
    • But We’re the one labeling people…. Yeah. Well lets drop the labels and just say that the KKK likes him, and I think I can see why.

      November 16, 2016
    • Gabrielle Western You’re right. Those are just the titles. Read them, tell me for a SECOND that the title doesn’t accurately reflect the title. The only way to not see that he’s a white nationalist is to not want to see it. The man you voted for knowingly put a white supremacist into the #1 staff position. I’ve shown you the evidence, you appear to have a genuine interest in researching the appointment. Am I wrong?

      November 16, 2016
  29. so far Trump has walked back every promise he’s made, I’m waiting to see how long it will take his supporters to realize they’ve all been duped…he’s draining the swamp? how? his vice president pick is establishment personified….and his cabinet pick Bannon who ran his campaign is head of the alt-right which will cause more havoc than one can imagine…he’s already brought in his personal lobbyists of course….what happened to the promise he would get rid of them?

    November 15, 2016
  30. Wow what a long winded poor me tirade. Your afraid? Wow I guess you also were never told that there is no participation medal for life. I’m sorry. There will be disappointments in life. Look at the bright side. You have another chance to vote in 4 years.

    November 15, 2016
  31. AlandJoann Karolchik – try reading this article to the end. It’s a good read.
    1) Just to set the record straight TRUMP RIGGED THE ELECTION – therefore Trump stole the election
    2) HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTES JUST REMEMBER THAT and only 93% of the votes have been counted
    3) there was an article in our local news paper that TRUMP OFFERED GIFTS TO MEGAN KELLY to influence coverage of the presidential race and MAY HAVE gotten a tip on a debate question.
    YOU can purchase her book tomorrow ” Settle for More”
    Hope your educated a bit more about this election.

    November 15, 2016
  32. Maria Nieves said:

    This is what wonderful Christian and Republicans supported this for the country to lead our country with REPUBLICANS values, the other half are bad sinners for standing with GLBT and the kind of abortion they claim their way, but supported a fraudulent corrupt immoral person with no values extreme lier that the LORD repute will con any thing if will benefit him a racist sexual pervert adulterous that threaten people life and it’s ok, this I s a double standards with sins if Christian support this Trump that’s is a ungodley man that broken every commanment under the sun but Christian called him a righteous man , The Hypocrisy is showing in many ways that’s why the people are turning the other way from the Hypocrisy of these Ministry’s and Christian.

    November 14, 2016
    • It’s this kind of judgement and hateful rhetoric that makes me ashamed to be a Christian some days. Find the love in your heart from Jesus and ask him to help you to read the Bible and understand the true message inside. Also a Dictionary may help you to understand the words you use that you can’t spell or use correctly.

      November 14, 2016
    • It’s the spirit of the message dear Christian that you missed, not only in this message but the Bible also.

      November 14, 2016
    • Angela Brooks-Lisota I stand with the “sinners” too at least I don’t pretend to be without sin. Kinda makes me think that the righteous Christians holding and spewing their exalted moral behavior amongst us sinners tell the biggest lie of all. They and they alone, like Trump hold up the highest standards of morality as they support men that are adulterers, coveting thy neighbors wife( where did I read you can’t do that? Remind me ye without sin? Oh to go on and on and on…

      November 14, 2016
  33. First of all and most important, I don’t remember the voting America getting out to rioting when Obama won 8 years ago !! The destruction of other people’s property and businesses is unacceptable and criminal ! Then there’s the fact that my husband and I are registered Democrats and we voted for Trump ! We want better than another 4-8 years of the same old thing ! We want better for our children, grandchildren and generations to come ! We’re just tired of being led around by this government ! We want fresh eyes and ears to see and hear us and respect us and our America !! We want America to be Great Again ! I believe President Elect Trump will be a breath of FRESH AIR and be a great leader !

    November 14, 2016
    • I agree about the rioting, and have spoken out about it. And I refuse to sign the petition to free the EC delegates. And yes, Republicans didn’t riot when Obama was elected, but I specifically address that in this essay. It’s a false comparison in at least three ways. And if you think Trump will respect you or your children or grand children… No, I don’t think he respects anyone. That’s what got him elected.

      November 14, 2016
    • I don’t think we need to be rid of the EC delegates either ! Time will tell how President Elect Trump does as our President ! I welcome the change and I’m excited for our futures !

      November 14, 2016
    • No one knows how Trump will perform as POTUS so speculating out of bias news media or party line faithfulness on both sides of the isle is counterproductive. No one can say they know that he won’t do this or won’t do that, it’s all speculation which is not worth the paper it’s printed on. I am an independent thinker and voter and I voted for Trump because I was unhappy with direction of the Obama administration period. There is faulty charictaristcs from both candidates so to only condem one side is closed minded and frankly short-sided. All of the unrest over the past week only proves this point. People are so caught up in their own convictions and ideology of their own candidate that they cannot take a step back and possibly see that there just may be a few good things to come out of this. Sometimes change brings new beginnings and a greater sense of awareness to what has been overlooked in the past. People became too comfortable with the status quo. Washington was out of touch with a large group of Americans and needed a wake up call so in turn that is a good thing. You can criticize Trump all you want but name one seasoned politician who has turned down a $400,000 a year salary for the betterment of his constituents? If he only ends up accomplishing a few things, at least there will be an awaking and revitalization of our government on both sides of the fence! Healthy debate is a good thing…it brings results and resolutions. When thoughts and ideals are all one sided is when nothing gets accomplished. So instead of rhetoric and rioting people just need to communicate and be open minded to other’s points of view besides our own and put aside their speculations and biased opinions until they have proof one way or the other of his success or failure period! Give the man a chance he just might be a good change for our nation.

      November 14, 2016
    • Give him the Same chance they gave Obama zero how they disrespected Obama his wife and children blocked everything he tried to accomplish give him a chance when all he promoted was hate and division and has appointed a white supremacist as his chief stradagest and you say give him a chance fuck Kim and his UGLY ASS CHILDREN

      November 15, 2016
    • I don’t remember businesses, personal property and innocent citizens being destroyed ! No I don’t ! I do believe threads such as these are fueling the fire ! Thank you for noticing me from all the comments you could have noticed !

      November 16, 2016
    • I’ve noticed most of them. I’ve got 150 replies on this topic in three threads. Don’t want to be noticed, don’t post. I reply to half the people who disagree with me on any of my posts, between this and half a dozen other posts, about 800 replies. Nobody singled you out. You came here.

      November 16, 2016
  34. How can we believe in the research when it has been proven scientists were skewing numbers in order to retain their HUGE grants? 95% of journalists only reporting what they are told to??? The entire year all I heard, oh, go watch Faux news! 65 journalists were colluding with the Clinton campaign! They didn’t work for Fox or Breitbart. Which now, I hear is a racist news source!!! So really. It wasn’t about your climate change or anyone being a racist. We REFUSED TO VOTE FOR A LYING CRIMINAL❤️

    November 14, 2016
    • 1) Hillary has been investigated for 15 years by people desperate to put her in jail, and not found one single indictable offence.
      2) Every Trump appointee thus far (like Newt and Palin) has, on average, more recorded ethics violations and reprimands than Hillary.
      3) I didn’t believe the scientists either, it’s why I did the research myself. Only an idiot believes left or rightwing media. Takes between 4 to 10 hours of work, but you can figure out how and why scientists make these claims.
      4) Glad it was proven. Always appreciate new facts. Show me the proof on skewing the numbers (for my part, when the Koch brothers paid for a climate skeptic to review and reach his own conclusions, and afterwards he said it was real, and published in the Wall Street Journal, I find that compelling).

      November 14, 2016
    • I’ll add that Shell reached the conclusion in the 70’s that climate change was happening and we were causing it. This is Shell, mind you. They buried the report, but that was their conclusion (ask, I’ll get you the references).

      November 14, 2016
    • Thank you for the info. These are the publications that reported false stories all year. I just believe we need to take care of the water in Flint. The EPA was found guilty. They are not fixing the infrastructure. Many are sick. That’s why Hillary got the question ahead of time for the Debate…

      November 14, 2016
    • False stories? I’d be very interested in your supporting evidence for that. But at the very least, this story was confirmed by the Koch brothers. They hired this scientist to do the study, and the evidence he saw made him switch sides. Nobody has refuted this story, to the best of my knowledge. Did I miss something? I agree Flint is a problem, but if Global Warming is real, it strikes me as a tad more serious.

      November 14, 2016
    • I will. If global warming is real, it will displace a billion people in a generation, cause famine, drought and suffering the likes of which are unparalleled in human history. Yes. I will tell children with lead poisoning that theirs is a suffering in a constellation of tragedies unfolding today. Of course I will, are you crazy?

      November 15, 2016
    • N Lamar Soutter
      If? If? So it is still theory. Thank you. We know these kids are sick now. The courts already ruled in their favor. You are comparing IF’s and but’s.

      November 15, 2016
    • No, you’re not reading what I’m writing. I said “If” for the sake of argument. See, you don’t think it’s true. But I do (I know the science, and my wife is a Doctor of Bio-Chemistry). You seem to think I should care more about lead in Flint than Global warming. But if I’m right (and I am, but that’s another argument), then global extinction is a bigger problem. Now I’m happy to argue the science with you, but what you cannot deny is that, if it’s real, it’s more important. That’s irrefutable. The question then becomes, well, is it real? The short answer is yes, and I’ll happily discuss it with you. But IF you believed, you’d agree, so since I believe, why are you shocked that I think global extinction is a bigger issue than Flint?

      November 15, 2016
    • When the EPA, DOJ, FBI, DNC, NY POST, cannot be trusted, you may want to let an administration or leader actually take care of the problem instead of PLAYING PAY TO PLAY FOR THEIR PROFIT NOT OURS…..You must not know the immediate effects of LEAD POISONING.

      November 15, 2016
    • Our Great Lakes are GREAT, and we need to do something! Not make up theories and prove and disprove them.

      November 15, 2016
    • We also have a sewage problem!! Dumping in our lakes…. Need jobs! No one is doing anything!!!

      November 15, 2016
  35. You have a right to be upset. You do not have a right to riot and attack innocent people. Big difference.

    November 14, 2016
    • Does white children/students and teachers have the right to chant build that wall or get ready for a boat ride do you want me to get trump to send back to Africa a place I MIGHT add we’ve NEVER been we are Americans what about all the violence and killings of unarmed black civilians what about white ppl spitting on black ppl what about a racist bigot who managed a Chile’s restaurant taking a meal from a black veteran who fought for this country that has NEVER FOUGHT for him/us YOU ppl feel you’re entitled to everything when your ANCESTORS stolen raped and killed in this country since Christopher Columbus DUMB ASS got lost and landed here

      November 15, 2016
    • I am not racist. No one should be murdered. I support all veterans. I don’t see color. I see people. My ancestors are from Italy and came here legally.
      If you came home and people broke in your house would you just let them stay? No you would call the police and have them removed. No one in my family has ever harmed anyone. So back off.
      Trump won fair and square. GOD bless America and GOD bless Donald Trump. Love Trumps Hate.

      November 15, 2016
  36. I hope Trump doesn’t screw things up as badly as many people fear. He may be a clown, but he’s our clown and we’re stuck with him for the next four years. I’m also waiting to see how long it takes for his fans to realize that all his bellicose rhetoric was pure malarky. He is just starting to get a really, really, “yuge” dose of reality between now and Jan 20th.

    November 14, 2016
  37. Ray Arroyo said:

    He just put a known racist in a high position that says it all God Help America now because it’s about to hit the fan…

    November 14, 2016
    • No, just the ones who Bill Kristol a “Jewish, American elitist”, a “Renegade Jew”, and calls Jewish kids “whiny brats” and doesn’t want his girls going to school with them.

      November 14, 2016
    • Norina Camarda Oh, this one… Yeah, I’m quoting Steve Bannon, the “known racist put in a high position”. I’m really quite confidant that Trump is just a racist, pussy-grabbing, bigoted misogynist. Never called him anti-Semitic. So take a little decaf, and try again.

      November 15, 2016
    • Norina Camarda You said I called trump anti-Semitic. I didn’t. Don’t put words in my mouth.

      November 15, 2016
    • Known racist like Hillary calling kids super predators??? Is that the kind of proof?? Or that they don’t know where or how to vote? Did you watch those project veritas videos? Because he compared the blacks to the HOLOCAUST! A huge donor? They lost across the board. You all should be working on something else besides blame and shame

      November 15, 2016
    • You are attacking more than half the country!
      Claiming a popular vote when the overseas votes haven’t been counted!

      November 15, 2016
    • Police, border patrol, women, young voters, who voted their first time! How sick is that??? They don’t matter?

      November 15, 2016
    • Spin anything and everything because she has been desperate from the start. She couldn’t speak to the people. Media is crooked. Trump
      Was oddly right about many things.

      November 15, 2016
    • Just watched CNN and you basically repeated Van almost word for word and when he was shown to have fabricated a story of a fearful Muslim that may go to an internment camp. He didn’t correct himself

      November 15, 2016
    • Donald trump Objectifies women, so right there he’s attacking over half the species. And I said earlier not everyone who voted for trump is racist or misogynist, so the people I’m attacking are less than half the country. I said the DNC is to blame, I said there should be no riots, I oppose overturning the election by electoral college delegates (legal, perfectly legal, but a bridge too far)… Who’s putting who into a box here? I want to hear from you, I want to understand you, but I’m having trouble understanding that torrent. You’ve misrepresented me at least twice now, and while I take those as genuine errors made by a hasty review of what I write, I’m not sure this is productive. You said goodnight. Get some sleep, I’ll still be liberal in the morning. Look forward to having a discussion with you.

      November 15, 2016
    • Not trying to convert anyone! Lol but a fellow commenter was denouncing my faith and send me links to Islam
      The religion of peace??

      November 15, 2016
    • Well I don’t approve of that. Let me see if I can find it. I’ve banned people more than once. I detest bullies. If I can’t find it and don’t have a response for you in the morning, point it out to me please.

      November 15, 2016
    • K, I see nothing in this thread. I’ll keep an eye out in the others, see if I see anything, but let me know who and where (PS–Wikiliks can’t be discredited. It’s all true–least what I’ve seen. The liberals who say it’s not lie–at least nobody’s shown me compelling evidence– and that lie causes the world to miss the point. Deplorable. No evidence a single leak was fake, and they have the ring of truth–just like the trump tape, by the way–that cuts both ways. He’s not bloviating, that’s clear).

      November 15, 2016
    • I’m an Atheist, so I feel you. The number of things I get called, especially as a parent, and the number of times my car has been defaced (I’d always accused Christians of doing it, but I suppose it could have been Hindu’s…)… Well, it’s more than one, which is more than I suspect Jesus would have approved of. And I teach high school, and have to keep my beliefs to myself. I get compared to Hitler (which shows a stunning lack of familiarity with history). So I know.

      November 15, 2016
    • Ray Arroyo said:

      @Norina Hillary won the popular vote it’s been proven anyone that says or put bullshit sights numbers up are lying…

      November 15, 2016
    • Hillary won the popular vote. It doesn’t matter, but for the fact that facts matter. Donnie gets the job because of the electoral college, and it’s a system both sides agreed to and understood going in, so no complaining. But CHRIST, people don’t choose the news they want, they chose the facts they want.

      November 15, 2016
    • Bannon runs Breitbart News, and under his leadership they published articles like “Why Equality and Diversity Departments Should Only Hire Rich, Straight White Men”, “Would you Rather Your Child Had Feminism or Cancer”, “There’s No Hiring Bias Against Women in Tech, They Just Suck At Interviews” “The Solution to Online ‘Harassment’ is Simple: Women Should Log Off” and “Attack of the Lying Brestapo Feminazis” (and I’m ignoring the Anti-Semitic stuff, I don’t have the time, posted some above…).

      This isn’t “the corrupt media” saying this. You can find these articles on Breitbart’s website.

      Trump just made Bannon co-chief of Staff, the most powerful administration position under the president. If you can’t admit that this hire speaks volumes as to Trump’s views and where he plans on taking his presidency…. I don’t know how we can have a rational conversation.

      Trump just put an irrefutable anti-Semitic, misogynist, white nationalist into the most powerful staff position in the white house. Period.

      November 15, 2016
    • And you know what? At some point, if Trump keeps this up, I DO get to call him anti-semetic, because rather than repudiate these people, he hires them. And that’s a tacit enforcement.

      November 15, 2016
    • Here Norina Camarda, this is a breitbart piece from when he was in charge. It’s called “Why diversity programs should ONLY hire white, straight males.”… And the editor responcible for this, is now #2 in the whitehouse. I’m sure it’s a coincidence that David Duke applauded this (quite loudly, I got 30 sources if you want it). http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/29/why-equality-and-diversity-departments-should-only-hire-rich-straight-white-men/

      November 16, 2016
    • So since Trump knew ALL of this when he hired Bannon, seems to me at some point we get to start judging trump. This isn’t unity, but somehow liberals are getting blamed. I didn’t write these pieces. I didn’t hire the guy responsible. There’s a reason the KKK is endorsing this, and I don’t know what News YOU watch, but if you haven’t heard of this, that’s scary (either that or you have and don’t care, and that’s worse). This isn’t funny. I don’t like trumps picks so far, and it’s not hard to see why the KKK does.

      November 16, 2016
  38. Han Birol said:

    Please find time to time 2 Presidents comparison . By the way I like Obama ! I supported him all the way ! But here is realty !

    November 14, 2016
    • A lot of things created Isis. If you want the most proximate cause, it was Obama drawing a red line in the sand and then letting Assad waltz right over it. We wouldn’t have ISIS without Bush’s reckless presidency, but yeah, Obama’s mistakes allowed the full realization of Bush’s. Not sure how that qualifies Trump to fix the problem. A comparison of Trumps Rhetoric to Obama’s actions is laughably silly–trump hasn’t been given the chance to make mistakes yet (except in business, and 6 bankruptcies isn’t encouraging).

      November 14, 2016
  39. Vern Vilo said:

    Damn Nick why are you so scared? Don’t even think for one minute clinton would’ve made a better president or the socialist minded Sanders. Liberalism is choking this country to death and change is coming. You live where you can’t see the damage illegal immigrants do to the economy and workforce. You can’t see all the stinking drugs coming across the border along with the criminal element. Trump has his flaws but he’s by far the better of the two. We didn’t act like spoiled brats and riot and destroy private property when obama got elected so with all due respect grow up.

    November 14, 2016
    • Lol… You didn’t actually read the piece, did you? I may not know the plight of those suffering under illegal immigrants, but if the temperature keeps going up, that problem gets worse, not better, and I don’t think your christian heart cares one iota for the plight of Jews and blacks in this country. Just one question… Infant mortality is a an all time low, insured citizens at an all time high, life-expectancy all time high, crime nation wide at an all time low, and the economy is good (not great, but given the effects of a global recession, really quite good). But lets go make america great again!

      November 14, 2016
    • N Lamar Please tell me what country do your live in ? I’m sure not the U.S. or you listen to all the b.s. the bias media puts out there. The people have spoken so deal with it !

      November 14, 2016
    • Vern Vilo said:

      Insurance premium’s so high it’s cheaper to pay the penalty and not have insurance and companies dropping out like dead flies. Crime in inner cities escalating (mostly because minorities have no jobs or hope so the turn to the drug trade). Wages are stagnant, our infrastructure is crumbling, we are more divided than the 60’s and racist hate groups like BLM get invited to the whitehouse. More blacks on welfare, less home ownership and vets dying while waiting for medical care. We can afford to relocate, house and feed tens of thousands of refugees but can’t give seniors a raise on ss. Obama doubled the debate more than all other presidents combined. Theseis are all verifiable, I don’t know where you’ve been the last eight years but obamas policies have done more damage than good. Don’t forget uranium to Russia and the Iran deal. We will be great again, wait and see.

      November 14, 2016
    • Yes… The man with a gold plated toilet, who has never applied for a job in his life, and was a life long pro-life single payer supporting democrat until he wanted your vote… He represents you and the working class… Okay, we’ll wait and see.

      November 14, 2016
    • Dot Bader- Hunt OTFL… I know, right? I was as surprised as you to learn I live in the US. But I have the right to free speech (for now), so YOU deal with it.

      November 14, 2016
    • Vern Vilo said:

      It’s funny you mention Trump’s money, the clintons are rich as well. I fail to see what difference that makes.

      November 14, 2016
    • Vern Vilo said:

      Devils? You sound just like clinton. A lot of successful people never applied for a job. It doesn’t mean they didn’t work hard for what they have. clinton has lived a privileged life but that doesn’t seem to bother you.

      November 15, 2016
    • Vern Vilo said:

      And tyanna anyone that disrespects their ancestors that fought and died so you could live a better life is disgraceful. Your profile is full of the N word and that’s so sad.

      November 15, 2016
    • Well, yeah… Hillary left home at 14 and started working as a Nanny, and Trump inherited $200 million dollars, so yeah, they were both kind of privileged. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

      November 15, 2016
    • Vern Vilo -Her father had a drapery business and they were upper middle class,she was very popular in high school and graduated in the top 5,she had politics on the brain at a young age.Hillary worked her way up the ladder,it was not given to her.Donald Trump was born with a silver spoon in his mouth,so you need to do some real research.

      November 15, 2016
    • Vern Vilo said:

      Lamar thinks she left home at 14 to go to work. She went to Wesley college then Yale, she had a privileged life. Quit trying to make her out as some kind of working class hero.

      November 15, 2016
    • Never said she was a working class hero. But putting her as “privileged” in the same league as Trump? Are you insane?

      November 15, 2016
    • Sir you’re a liar the n word is a derogatory word no matter who uses it i DON’T throw the usage of that word around so please clear that up and DISRESPECT my ANCESTORS that’ll NEVER happen where are you getting this information PLEASE sir refrain from the usage of my name were you NOT taught NEVER EVER send for someone unless they send for you I’m NOT N Lamar I’ll break you down like a fraction and I most certainly wouldn’t go back and forward with you because I know that if you argue with a fool you become a fool also good day

      November 15, 2016
    • Vern Vilo said:

      They both had money all their life, she’s never had to worry about paying bills or feeding her family either. That fact that she lied about her modest childhood should tell you something about her. She had you believing she Left home to go to work. You like to bash Trump because his dad was rich. It wasn’t his fault. He’s a billionaire now and largely financed his own campaign.

      November 15, 2016
    • Vern Vilo said:

      I got it from your profile and unless you deleted the post with the N word it’s still there for everyone to see. Your profile is full of vulgar “deplorable” language.

      November 15, 2016
    • All the posts are mirrored to my website. Nobody can take them down. Someone using the N word? I got a simple fix for it. Send me a PM, Vern. Got no problem posting decency complaint to Facebook, they’ve been real good about that for me.

      November 15, 2016
    • Vern Vilo said:

      No Lamar is a post on her profile using nigga. I don’t approve of anyone using that word regardless of their race.

      November 15, 2016
    • You must be referring to when I first joined Facebook let me explain to you if it’s still there how it happened my sisters kept pressuring me to join Facebook I didn’t want to so they set up me an account if the n word is there I didn’t post and I most certainly thought I had removed it i didn’t post it

      November 15, 2016
    • The usage of that word by my sisters was NOT used in a manner to suggest that they were speaking of black WHITE people made it a derogatory word towards blacks you do know the definition of the word nowhere in it’s definition does it say a black person it say an IGNORANT PERSON

      November 15, 2016
    • Vern Vilo said:

      No excuses. It’s a derogatory word and disrespectful. Any person that uses it loses all credibility with me.

      November 15, 2016
    • Otfl. It’s a word. That’s all. I don’t like it, I hate it, never uttered it in my life, even when quoting people who used it. And I think it should be buried. But there are African Americans who like to use it because it helps them zap it of it’s power, lets THEM control the terms by which it is used, steal the meaning from those who put it in there. Women do the same with the C-word, or the B-Word. My friends do it with the word “Nerd” which they adopt as a mark of pride. I know southerners who do it with the word Oakie. You’re going to judge her use of it? Now who’s being politically correct? You don’t object to political correctness, you just object when it’s not you setting the terms.

      November 15, 2016
    • Vern Vilo said:

      You know what Lamar you just showed your true colors. As you can see I’m a big man but I don’t go around disrespecting overweight people. You can never take the sting out of words that are meant to hurt. It has nothing to do with political correctness but has everything to do with respecting each other no matter who we are. Most of my friends are Hispanic but they don’t go around calling each other spic, or wetback. The gay friends I have don’t go around calling each other faggot. I don’t respect anyone that acts like that period.

      November 15, 2016
    • That’s the founding principal of Political Correctness–controlling language so as to not hurt anyone’s sense of self esteem. Oh, Vern, I’m enjoying this discussion.

      November 15, 2016
    • Vern Vilo said:

      OK Lamar let’s just call anyone anything. Let’s not respect each other at all. It has nothing to do with political correctness as I stated above but since you like to keep inserting into this conversation just remember the liberal left is the founder of PC. Your side is the one that can’t say radical islam, illegal alien etc.

      November 15, 2016
    • OMG, that went from 0 to 60. So in your mind people who call each other names as part of good natured ribbing, or an acknowledgement of a shared history, or to show genuine admiration (the people who MOST respect my intelligence call me an idiot every chance they can, but I know them, I know they mean it playfully because they respect my intelegence) is EXACTLY the same as walking up to a stranger and using the N-word. Context is irrelevant?

      November 15, 2016
    • Yes, I know my side can’t say “Radical Islam”… I just had no idea that you, a critic of that kind of PC, were on my side. Different words, but you’re on my side. Welcome aboard!

      November 15, 2016
    • Vern Vilo said:

      The word idiot does not have racial and discriminatory backgrounds, the N word does. FYI I’m on Jesu’s side who commands me to love my neighbor as myself.

      November 15, 2016
    • Dot Bader- Hunt Let me get this straight… Since you guys accepted Obama, my side needs to grow up and deal with it, show the same maturity you guys did? Clearly we have a different recollection of past events…. http://imgur.com/gallery/Y7Zpt

      November 15, 2016
    • What about racial and discriminatory background makes it that people can’t call friends the N-Word if they get the context, but they CAN call people other names. Is “faggot” okay? A lot of gays call eachother (and even themselves) that–no racial issues there. Can you draw me a line of EXACTLY what people can and can not call their friends and peers if it’s in a context they all accept?

      November 15, 2016
    • Vern Vilo said:

      I’ll put it this way, my friend base doesn’t act like that, we all respect each other and ourselves. If you want to participate in degrading each other then have at it.

      November 15, 2016
    • If it’s to take ownership of the word, to take it out of the hands of the people who forced it on you, to change the meaning… That can have value. Don’t get me wrong, I’d rather nobody used the word. I don’t approve even under those circumstances. But I keep an open mind and certainly don’t look down on people for it.

      November 16, 2016
    • Trumps s fucking lunatic, she may be career politician, but she at least is prepared to do the job.

      November 16, 2016
    • Tell me, Vern, do you approve of the hiring of a known White Supremacist to co the top administrative position in the white house? I mean that as an honest question, I know a number of Christians who don’t have a problem with it (brings me back to the question we had when we first met… If Christians can’t agree on white supremacy…). Do you have a problem with it?

      November 16, 2016
    • That’s not what I asked, and since Clinton lost, the point it moot. Trump is going to be president.. Do you support him hiring a known White Supremacist, first to co-chair his campaign, and now to the most powerful administrator in the Whitehouse? It’s a simple question.

      November 16, 2016
    • Vern Vilo said:

      A little FYI Lamar, clinton was inspired by Margaret Sanger, the woman that wanted to keep the black population down by abortion. Robert Byrd a known officer in the kkk was a good friend and mentor of clinton. Seems like you’d be more worried about all the unvetted Muslims in our country whose religion says to kill all unbelievers including gays and athiests.

      November 16, 2016
    • Clinton Lost. If Trump goes out and shoots someone in the middle of Pennsylvania Ave, and I say “Do you support it?”, is your answer going to be “Hillary Did it” (and lets assume she did). Maybe YOU think two wrongs make a right. I don’t. Hillary is Gone. Why can’t you answer this rather simple question. Do you support Trump hiring a known White Supremacist to the most powerful administrative position in the White House? Why can’t you answer that?

      November 16, 2016
    • You have said you love your neighbor as yourself. You have said you follow Jesus, his path is clear. The man you voted for has appointed a white supremacist, and I’m asking if you support that. Seems like a fair question to me.

      November 16, 2016
    • Vern Vilo said:

      I’m not going to get in a religious argument with you again. You’re trying to bait me and I won’t let you do it. I voted for Trump despite disagreeing with some of his policies.

      November 16, 2016
    • Of Course, I agree. I disagree with Obama. When he CREATED Isis by drawing an invisible red line in the sand, I STOOD UP to him. I wrote on it, I still blame him. Right and wrong isn’t a partisan thing. It’s not a moral thing.

      YOU say you stand up for dignity and rights of all people. That’s easy to do when it’s people you oppose threatening those rights. But what about people you support?

      It’s a simple question, and you can’t answer it. You appear incapable.

      You once asked me to answer a simple yes or no question. Do you remember? I did. Right?

      Is the question unfair? Trump has done something, something objectively measurable in moral terms. I’m not asking you to explain it, I’m asking you if you support it.

      This doesn’t set off alarm bells, that you have such resistance to this? Do you know how concerning it is, that you find it so difficult to answer such a simple question?

      It’s not bait. It’s a fair question. And if I’m baiting you, do what I did the time you asked me a flat out yes or no question, which is answer, and then explain.

      When did asking if you approved of a white supremacist appointment become like pulling teeth?

      I’m… speechless… I believe that you REALLY try to be a good person, which is why I can’t believe you can’t answer this.

      November 17, 2016
    • We’re done here, Vern.

      A honest man, a real man of god, would have said “Of course I don’t support it. Are you crazy? But Trump isn’t prefect, and I this country needs him, and he can help, and here’s how…”. That’s what a man of God says (and I know this, because I count a number amongst my best friends, Including a Greek Orthodox Minister and the former pastor of St. Paul’s Parish in Harvard Square).

      It’s horrible, this appointment. But because it offers the possibility that Trump may not be the man you hope, you can’t look it in the face. Because it means I might have a point, you won’t answer the question.

      You won’t give me an inch. That I might even have a single point. But you applaud yourself for dialogue with the heathen atheist.

      And if you won’t oppose an appointment, it’s either because you agree with it, or don’t want to speak out—and at some point, what’s the difference between the two? What are your convictions if you can’t even say, just in this one act, he’s wrong?

      I don’t ask Facebook to put me on your feed, take it up with them, but don’t post here anymore. You give lip service to Jesus, but I’ve never met a man of Jesus wouldn’t denounce this in a heartbeat, consequences be demand.

      It means nothing, to you, what I say. You may take it as a complement. But I’m ashamed for you. Genuinely ashamed. Your pride keeps you from giving the only answer there is.

      No. You’re no man of God. I’m quite sure of that.

      It’s humiliating to just having you here. I’ve had conversations with actual Klansmen, who I didn’t like, but they were more honest than you. The fact that you’d rather refuse to condemn a white supremacist in office, than grant me even the slightest point, says you’ve no interest in honest or genuine discussion. How am I supposed to feel? How honest is that? How honest are you?

      Don’t post here again.

      November 17, 2016
    • Vern Vilo said:

      I stood up against the evil wrong of clinton. I don’t need your respect nor do I care what your opinion of me is. If you don’t want me to post then you insure your posts don’t end up on my page. I did try to say this country needs Trump but got ridiculed. What should really scare you is the democrats wanting to let so many muslims into our country. What should really scare you is sanctuary cities protecting criminals. I sincerely hope none of your family is ever a victim of one of these protected criminals. What should really scare you is all these college students that need time out and service animals because they can’t handle reality. What should really scare you is the future of your children because if we don’t turn this country around they’ll have no future. There are more important things to worry about than Steve Bannon. 🙂

      November 17, 2016
    • Vern Vilo said:

      Since you don’t believe in God why do you bring him up? You’re trying to hold me to a standard you don’t believe exists. Who are you to judge me?

      November 17, 2016
  40. Hans Mueller said:

    You never asked us. You just rammed your agenda down. No if’s, no but’s, just your way. Now you want us to feel sorry for your agenda. Get real and suck it up buttercup. No more PC, no more BS. Grow a pair n’ join reality. We the People Have Spoken.

    November 14, 2016
    • Cherie Grant said:

      Not really. Most of the people do not want Trump. & no I don’t need a civics class. I’m talking about most of the people.

      November 14, 2016
    • Lol… If a member of the Obama Cabinet said those who criticized Obama would have to “Bow Down before him”, you’d have blown a gasket. Don’t pretend you wouldn’t.

      November 14, 2016
    • Actually the electoral voted him, not the majority of citizens. And like it or not we are citizens, who can express our dissatisfaction with this entire election.

      November 16, 2016
  41. Hopefully Trump will ram it up y’all like Obama has done to the working class the past 8 years.

    November 14, 2016
    • He will. I know that. That he’ll hit the working class, those who voted for him, harder than us doesn’t offer me the solace it once would have in my youth.

      November 14, 2016
    • Trina Frost said:

      We will just sit back and watch this cluster. The one you elected will do much more harm than you thought has been done in the past eight years.. we’re prepared, by then we will have grieved, we won’t be distraught or let down. Hopefully, we won’t take pleasure in the failure either.. We will come together and take our country back. The country built on love and tolerance, that great country.

      November 15, 2016
    • D.d. Owens said:

      Bend over Chris I guarantee you will be first. One day you will say “I miss Obama”. When did free loader become more important than tax payer” ….lol Donald doesn’t pay taxes. I can’t believe I knew you people, racist all of you. The freeloaders are your politician. But what do you expect from Alabama.

      November 15, 2016

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